Zoobee: don't be so hard on yourself. We know you struggle with your homosexuality, but don't! It's healthy and normal.
   
   We're here to support you.

Between spiritually unlearned psychologists and one of the Lord's servants, I'll follow the Lord's servant. To anyone of ANY religious faith, or even if you don't subscribe to a particular relgion, if you struggle with homosexual persuasions, hang in there. Elder Hafen speaks the truth.
   
   Good luck.

Once again we see proof positive that to be a general authority the only requirements are: no specific knowledge of anything; a strong fear of anything that isn't "us"; an unbending belief that anything you say is true.

"fudgie...and don't you know how he mourns for a love lost he has only dreamed of? :) "
   
   Well just WHO do you think all those love songs were written about/for???? certainly not the women he DID have!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

ZooBee says:
   Being "weak" and "undisciplined" could be in your DNA... Along with reckless and sexually perverted..."
   
   Being so brain-numbed you need someone else to think for you is the weakest genetic link of all - you may as well not have bothered with life at all.
   
   "

Nazi lunatic says:
   
   "If I misrepresented Evelyn Hooker's work or misquoted Laumann why don't you correct my mistakes?"
   
   I did correct you. You did not quote Ed Lauman, you quoted someone referring to Lauman et.al. 1994; you were dishonest (or just stupid), and I called you on it.
   
   Evelyn Hooker's work was repeatedly verified by peers. When taking personality assessments, those taking them are typically informed of what these instruments are intended to assess. There is no "secrecy". As for the quality of her studies, I think the burden is on you. Given that you have a habit of misquoting scientists, you have a long way to go before you'll have even a shred of credibility.
   
   You did say that gays pay Fred Phelps; you may backpedal on that because it sounds so ridiculous, but it's true that you said so. You have repeatedly claimed that "white culture" is in danger of extinction either because of low birth rates or through other wacky mechanisms like the spread of multiculturalism. Oh, and you repeatedly skirth the issue about denying the holocaust, always pointing instead to EU Laws that criminalize such speech. You then go on to blame Jews for communism and even suggest that Jews were behind the Skokie march.
   
   In short, you, Nazi, are the stench of human folly: homophobic, proudly racist and dead ignorant. You and people like you sow the seeds of death to any culture.
   
   You may now try to smear me (though, really, you are in no position to besmirch the reputation of anyone except, perhaps, those foolish enough to agree with your absurd ideas), simply because I call you on your nonsense. Go to town, but you're still a nazi freak, and the fact that you recoil when I present you with your own ideas speaks volumes.

This Bruce C. Hafen guy seems like a real gem of a human being, a dour, misanthropic, know-it-all control freak. His future as a member of the M Continuum should be assured!
   
   "Bruce Hafen Is A Bully In Search Of A Target
   
   For example, Bruce chose to end that Ensign article with a mention of the paradox of the Atonement ... but here's the paradox that's bugging me ... Bruce writes:
   "Only the restored gospel has the fulness of these truths! Yet the adversary is engaged in one of history’s greatest cover-ups, trying to persuade people that this Church knows least—when in fact it knows most—about how our relationship with Christ makes true Christians of us."
   In other words, the folks who disagree with Bruce's Mormon soteriology - the Catholics, the Evangelicals, all those "Christians" - are all agents of Satan.
   
   Except, of course, when they're not. See also Prop 8. Or Maine Question 1.
   
   Paradox!
   
   Or maybe not.
   
   Maybe it's simply that Bruce Hafen is a bully in search of a target and he'll take his traction wherever he can find it."
   
   http://mormoncurtain.com/

Zoo: it's doesn't take a close encounter to see right through you.

Hey Zoobee; why are you so ashamed of the Church you've chosen to belong to as it spews lies and hate to others that you are on these boards defending their words?

"In short, you, Nazi, are the stench of human folly: homophobic, proudly racist and dead ignorant. You and people like you sow the seeds of death to any culture."
   
   Don't forget to add Holocaust denier to all her other attributes.
   
   Spinazi's opinions on ANYTHING are worth less than nothing.